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  Did you taste the "Goodness of Jehovah's Organisation" ?

  by truthseeker in

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  if you can answer yes to the following questions.... .

  1) did you have a full share in the ministry?

  2) did you have a desire to do more?

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  the dreamer dreaming

  its like Saccharin, very sweet at the beginning but leaves a bitter after taste that lets you know it was not natural but man made
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  Is it "Deception" or are they simply "Misguided"???

  by The Scotsman in

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  as many of you know i have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the wtbts or is it the fds or is it the governing body, its all abit cloudy now.

  anyway my point is this - is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).

  my own opinion - i think they are in the middle somewhere.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  though some on here believe otherwise, I personally KNOW by direct experience they willfully lied about the subliminal issue whether they were trying to cover up a rogue artist, or the fact that they were using other people's art work, complete with subliminals and not crediting their sources, in some cases... the point is that they KNEW it existed, and made sure that anyone who ever noticed anything out of the ordinary would be DF'd if they brought it up.
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  Is it "Deception" or are they simply "Misguided"???

  by The Scotsman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as many of you know i have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the wtbts or is it the fds or is it the governing body, its all abit cloudy now.

  anyway my point is this - is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).

  my own opinion - i think they are in the middle somewhere.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  I think its a subtle form of hypnosis... it causes a sort of tunnel vision. when I was an active borg drone, I would discover something that caused doubts... but I would only see it in isolation against all the other things I held true and did not question [yet]... after my theological implants failed, my now Ex and I sat down and discussed ALL of our doubts and for the first time saw them in a pile-- a very big pile at that, astounding to us --but not when you consider the power of suggestion and fear and other emotional effects on attention. I have experienced tunnel vision in the grip of addiction... to the point where the JW advise to PRAY to Jehovah was completely absent until afterwards... which made me ponder how I could be held accountable when I was incapacitated so completely...was it my fault I was designed this way?
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  Biblical living: Man who followed every rule in the bible for a year...

  by mkr32208 in

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  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20910659/site/newsweek/?gt1=10357.

  i found it interesting that one of the groups he went to to find out about the "rules" was jehovahs witnesses.

  how the hell would they know?.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  JWs have rules for everything, so it seems a good fit
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  Is it bad to be an agnostic?

  by blueviceroy in

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  on a prior thrread someone asked about one true religion .

  i think that is kind of agnostic thinking .

  as i grow older and develop more perspective on life it seems that an agnostic view is really just an honest view no dogma no preconcieved ideas just observations.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  as an agnostic I can say, I believe there is an ultimate reality with a true nature and that I have found no way to tell what that is...and dont believe anyone else has either...and that is honest.

  I have met plenty who claim to KNOW that God is real....how? by faith! they tell me... to which I respond that is not knowledge, that is pretending to know what you only believe....or lying.

  a true man of faith can be an agnostic, ie, honest.

  you can have FAITH in God without pretending to KNOW you are right.

  your experience of God does not mean it WAS God...the experience was REAL but your belief about it does not follow just because you have a FEELING of certainty and another belief that this feeling could not be wrong.
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  The Bible VS. The Word of God

  by writetoknow in

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  many elevate the scriptures (new world translation, etc.

  ) and the accurate knowledge of as greater then the word of god.

  subsequently, putting their faith in the men that interpret the bible for them.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  one thing that occurred to me listening to the bible answer man program...

  here people like JWs and this radio guy claim to believe in this all knowing, all wise being

  who gave us his word and inspired the bible, but apparently was too stupid to get it right

  without their help...

  amazing no?
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  Avatars

  by Vernon Williams in

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  to all,.

  i wish a thread would start where in everyone would explain why they picked the avatar they have.

  i have not found one, yet..... v.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  mine is a picture of GOD, if you look closely the clouds are a G the planets an O and the fire a D

  and thats me, the Generator Of Dreams...who is also the Dreamer dreaming.

  www.jiohdi.org
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  Spirituality vs. Religion - what's the difference?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  here is an excerpt from a book called "fresh wisdom-breakthrough to enlightenment" that really hits the point:

  the con of religion

  we have never met a christian who has given up everything and followed christ.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  religion is BSing others spriituality is BSing oneself from the latin spiritus, full of breath or hot air.
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  Is there one true religion?

  by angeleyes71 in

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  hello all.

  my wonderful, never- a -witness -husband, would like to know, who thinks there is one true religion, and why?

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  the dreamer dreaming

  true, no!

  but I believe there is ONE honest group-- agnostics

  We are the only ones honest enough to admit we dont know.

  --if you say your religion is the ONE true one and all others are false, I just add one more to the same pile you have consigned all others--
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  Do you still love the Bible?

  by senoj53 in

  1. watchtower
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  as a jw i was brought up to believe the bible was the word of god, didn't contradict itself and could answer all our questions.

  i loved the bible and took the words of proverbs 2 literally, where it says if you call out for undestanding and search for it you will find the very knowledge of god.

  i studied the bible as jw's recomend, but found that it left me with more questions than answers and this eventually led me out of the "truth," as i discovered many contradictions in both the hebrew and the greek scriptures and instances where the apostle paul even contradicts jesus words.. in the most important event of bible history, (the death of jesus) the gospel writers can't even agree on the sequence of events and who he appeared to first after his resurrection.

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  the dreamer dreaming

  it seems of late I have only been able to see the really ugly things in the bible

  such as Moses ordering the slaughter of defenseless women and children AFTER the battle had already been won-- numbers 31

  Moses ordering parents to have their own children stoned to death if they got out of line- duet 21

  YHWH murdering a baby because he loved David too much to make him accountable for his own crime- 2 Sam 12

  YHWH throwing a fit of rage and having to be corrected by a human - Exodus 32:13-14

  Jesus telling his follower to slay all those who did not want him as their king -luke 19:27

  etc